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Parental Determination vs. accountability
Parental determination of their children's eternal status in event of early demise vs. accountability    pc's can't be like Gideon's dad, Joash said, "anyone who defends Baal, let him be put to death by morning.  If he is god, let Baal defend Himself."  We are happily without a defense for God when a murderer is consigned to torments awaiting final judgement and the lake burning with fire and brimstone(pcs don't accept this, often are unaware wholly of it, and just say, "hell").  We are even happily content when the one who rejects Jesus Christ as saviour is condemned to "hell" even though he is a more charitable guy than Hezbollah or king Fahd.  Yet, even though we strive to bring up our children to know the Lord and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, pc theology tells us all children are saved in event of untimely death or, even, the rapture(LaHaye, Trib. Force), via which rapture many pcs do not even allow for believers in Christ to be saved via unless they are sufficiently good enough at the time it occurs.
    This may seem fair.  It relies on human reasoning.  It is like no fault insurance.  "My kid died young.  Pastor says it is o.k., even though I hate God and kept my kids from him.  A pastor we got to do the funeral says, 'all kids go to heaven, they are not accountable.' The free pass will help me from feeling so guilty and horrific that I can continue my anti-c status.  Still, I kind of doubt what the pastor said.  Guilt  for my child, now in torments, flares up often."  And well it should.
  Why should the outcome be the same for the two different types of parents mentioned above.  God would be unjust to give the anti-c's child the same salvation as my child with whom I labor that Christ be formed in him.  That God rejects this no-fault no-accountability accountability doctrine is evidenced in scripture.  It rises from an attempt to defend God not from those who would impune him from assigning people to "hell", but rather from us c's (who assign to unbelievers spiritual wits they don't have, and so claim to defend God to them),who have a problem with the Bible as it pertains to children and the dimwitted.
  1 corinthians 7:14, to wit,  By staying with the unbelieving spouse and the children, the believing spouse sanctifies the unbelieving spouse, otherwise your children would be unclean!  Lost, on their way to torments, unless they sanctify their own selves by faith in Christ!  We, as parents, determine the eternal fate of our children until they determine it for themselves.  But now the are holy!,  and why?  Because of the action of the believing parent staying in the home with them.  It has nothing to do with the child.  The holy by association saved child can help himself by trusting in christ for his/her own eternal salvation and sanctification in like manner as the unclean doomed child may.
  But no!  pc theology also applies in reverse!  Neither category(categ.s not recognized by pcs), no, neither doomed child nor saved child, may  help himself/herself by trusting in Christ for his/her own eternal salvation.  They are not accountable.  So, by pun of nonreason, nonaccountable can not count, that is, his decision for Christ, tender touching and sweet though it may be, does not change his status nor guarantee his place in heaven(The promise of God is to you and your children Acts 2:39needs a disclaimer).  Nonaccountable or unaccountable is determined by different methods:  an arbitrary age variously 10 or 12;  ability to discern right from wrong;  ability to understand the spiritual phenomena associated with salvation(even though no natural man at any age may dicern it without supernatural help).  The pcs just conger this stuff up from thin air. 
  Seemingly harmless conjecture believed as a doctrine now is the church's own petard she is hoist upon.  For why try to save those who can't be saved because they are not accountable.  Worse; how very much worse, the trust the child put in Christ is discounted, nay minimalized to triviality(just what does a saved person who is taught to trivialise his/her salvation turn into, did you guess an ac/s with salvation?);  and, not just the childs trust.  More importantly, the one who brings the child to saving faith in Christ is dismissed as inconsequential; a babbler awasting his and the church's time and resources;  because, the unaccountable child's decision simply does not count.  Better a millstone tied around our pc necks and to be tossed to the bottom of the sea than to offend one of these little ones who believe in Me, said Jesus.    The very prime object the gospel is to be directed at is children.  Jesus claims it as a gospel to be given to babes that is revealed only to babes and hidden from the wise of this age that only babes can understand that we must become as a little child to receive it at all, and, of these little children is the kingdom of God!  Not only that but Jesus gives praise to the father that the gospel is revealed to the babes and hidden from the wise.
  So , if we are to put any credence in these words of Christ, then we would focus all our efforts on saving children and the youngest of them.  Based on Christ's words it is a no-brainer.  But the pc goes on blithely applying unnescessary brain to the simplest commands and winds up following Jesus own proverb, "they observe the commands of men and ignore the commands of God" 
  This is going to be the result.  A generation of anti-cs acs and s's.  Hey pcs fears it is upon us. 
Rev.2:23 also supports the parental status determination over pre age(point) of accountability with double death of the Thyatyran Jezebel's children, "I will kill her children with death," as in Genesis 2:17 Hebr. transl. "dying you will die"  2Sam. 12:23 oft used to support age(point) of accountability does the opposite because David is not only saved, but also as contrite and spiritual as he ever would be at the demise of his son, see vs. 16-18.  Acts 16:31  The strongest passage for parental status determining the saved or lost status of children who have not yet made their own salvation decision(the name is too long, I know).  Believe on the lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household. nkjv.  
Jonah 4:11 Why would god care about 120,000 unaccountables if their death would mean their salvation and their life mean indoctrination into idolatry?   No,  It is because their parental status meant they would go to torments, awaiting the lake burning with fire and brimstone.  That is why God wanted Jonah to save them along with their nation and culture. 
What if this devil doctrine of pre age of accountability universal salvation were debunked by cs(there were none, only pcs)?  1.  The 1962 judicial decision to oust God from the public schools might not have stood.  The cs would have ammended the constitution knowing these were the crucial years in which to save their children and grandchildren (unsavable by pre accountable age doctrine of the pcs).  2.  Roe vs. wade would rightly have been viewed as consigning millions of future unborn children to torments, awaiting the lake of burning with fire and brimstone, consigned there by association with their lost and dying mothers.  It woud not have been decided, or would have been struck down by constitutional ammendment.
  Hey pc! What are you going to do about this?  Hey pcs suggests a tactic.
  We have to read the bible and apply it and read it some more.  Ask God for help and pray.  And, don't stop checking into additions to heypc.com.  Hey pcs! constantly edits and improves the all articles.
Jesus said "many other things like this, they do."  More to come about those. 

1CORINTHIANS 7:14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

If one is holy, one is heaven bound at death or rapture. Conversely no unclean thing goes up to heaven.

A saved parent in the home means a saved child at death or the rapture.

Sometimes the questions and issues we consider are not directly addressed in scripture. Then we may try to deduce the answers based onlogic and God's grace or god's justice.

In this case we only need look at the scripture.

Some Bible topics  germain to Hey pcs!  theme.
abortion     Fearfully and wonderfully made I am, and that my soul knows right well
My lines were drawn, my DNA formed in God's mind, in the heart of the earth, in paradise precross, in heaven now.
The babe lept for joy in my womb at the sound of your steps my niece, no not niece.  How am I so honored that the mother of my Lord should come to me.  (not future mother)  (not future Lord, He is Lord now, 1st trimester) Thank goodness Mary didn't murder the little Lord Jesus.
Murder the baby Jesus? Unthinkable?
Not to Herod!  Politically Correct Herod, friend of Ceasars. 
Murder any baby?  Unthinkable?
Not to Barbara Boxer, nor to Hillary.  Politically correct Sen.s
Hey pcs, wouldn't it be better to pay the mom's for their babies than to let them brutally murder them at an M.D. abortion specialist. Where would we get the money?  Assuming that $10,000 would pay for doctor/hospital and a wage for the mother we have a $10,000 times 700,000 problem in the  mountain to climb in the U.S.A. alone.  That is only 7 billion dollars annually.  Now we have to feed, clothe and educate them.  On the very supercheap $10,000 annually for 18 or so years to feed clothe and educate them calculates out to $190,000 disregarding the time value of money.  $10,000 more extortion money to planned parenthood M.D. abortion specialists to buy political acquiescence from Hillary, Barbara and the Democratic party brings the per child price to an even $200,000.  Our $7 billion jumps to $140 billion.  But, it is just $7 bil plus $3.5 Bil in year one, just $10.5 bil, year two $14 bil plus $10.5 billion is $24.5 billion. Year 4. $28 billion plus $10.5, $38.5 billion. year 18. $126 bil. plus $3.5 billion is $129.5 billion where it stabilizes. Divide it by 700,000 annual murders and you have $185,000 per person to save them.  Hey pcs forgot the $10,000 extortion money to the M.D. abortion specialists to buy Hillary and B. Boxer and the dem. parties acquiescence.  Oh forget it. Let them learn to deliver babies.  If we can't find $10.5 billion year one ascending to$129.5 billion after 18 years to save $700,000 lives, we just aren't comparing things right.  Just what are we spending our Fed. budget on.
and couldn't some of the states an municipalities help out?  And what of Bill Gates/ Warren Buffet trusts and such?
If we can't find public and charitable funding,  maybe there is a free enterprise solution.
 
theology    pcs put together doctrines themselves where the cs debated subjects comparing applicable scriptures with scriptures.
Parental determination of their children's eternal status in event of early demise vs. accountability    pc's can't be like Gideon's dad, Joash said, "anyone who defends Baal, let him be put to death by morning.  If he is god, let Baal defend Himself."  We are happily without a defense for God when a murderer is consigned to torments awaiting final judgement and the lake burning with fire and brimstone(pcs don't accept this, often are unaware wholly of it, and just say, "hell").  We are even happily content when the one who rejects Jesus Christ as saviour is condemned to "hell" even though he is a more charitable guy than Hezbollah or king Fahd.  Yet, even though we strive to bring up our children to know the Lord and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, pc theology tells us all children are saved in event of untimely death or, even, the rapture(LaHaye, Trib. Force), via which rapture many pcs do not even allow for believers in Christ to be saved via unless they are sufficiently good enough at the time it occurs.
    This may seem fair.  It relies on human reasoning.  It is like no fault insurance.  "My kid died young.  Pastor says it is o.k., even though I hate God and kept my kids from him.  A pastor we got to do the funeral says, 'all kids go to heaven, they are not accountable.' The free pass will help me from feeling so guilty and horrific that I can continue my anti-c status.  Still, I kind of doubt what the pastor said.  Guilt  for my child, now in torments, flares up often."  And well it should.
  Why should the outcome be the same for the two different types of parents mentioned above.  God would be unjust to give the anti-c's child the same salvation as my child with whom I labor that Christ be formed in him.  That God rejects this no-fault no-accountability accountability doctrine is evidenced in scripture.  It rises from an attempt to defend God not from those who would impune him from assigning people to "hell", but rather from us c's (who assign to unbelievers spiritual wits they don't have, and so claim to defend God to them),who have a problem with the Bible as it pertains to children and the dimwitted.
  1 corinthians 7:14, to wit,  By staying with the unbelieving spouse and the children, the believing spouse sanctifies the unbelieving spouse, otherwise your children would be unclean!  Lost, on their way to torments, unless they sanctify their own selves by faith in Christ!  We, as parents, determine the eternal fate of our children until they determine it for themselves.  But now the are holy!,  and why?  Because of the action of the believing parent staying in the home with them.  It has nothing to do with the child.  The holy by association saved child can help himself by trusting in christ for his/her own eternal salvation and sanctification in like manner as the unclean doomed child may.
  But no!  pc theology also applies in reverse!  Neither category(categ.s not recognized by pcs), no, neither doomed child nor saved child, may  help himself/herself by trusting in Christ for his/her own eternal salvation.  They are not accountable.  So, by pun of nonreason, nonaccountable can not count, that is, his decision for Christ, tender touching and sweet though it may be, does not change his status nor guarantee his place in heaven(The promise of God is to you and your children Acts 2:39needs a disclaimer).  Nonaccountable or unaccountable is determined by different methods:  an arbitrary age variously 10 or 12;  ability to discern right from wrong;  ability to understand the spiritual phenomena associated with salvation(even though no natural man at any age may dicern it without supernatural help).  The pcs just conger this stuff up from thin air. 
  Seemingly harmless conjecture believed as a doctrine now is the church's own petard she is hoist upon.  For why try to save those who can't be saved because they are not accountable.  Worse; how very much worse, the trust the child put in Christ is discounted, nay minimalized to triviality(just what does a saved person who is taught to trivialise his/her salvation turn into, did you guess an ac/s with salvation?);  and, not just the childs trust.  More importantly, the one who brings the child to saving faith in Christ is dismissed as inconsequential; a babbler awasting his and the church's time and resources;  because, the unaccountable child's decision simply does not count.  Better a millstone tied around our pc necks and to be tossed to the bottom of the sea than to offend one of these little ones who believe in Me, said Jesus.    The very prime object the gospel is to be directed at is children.  Jesus claims it as a gospel to be given to babes that is revealed only to babes and hidden from the wise of this age that only babes can understand that we must become as a little child to receive it at all, and, of these little children is the kingdom of God!  Not only that but Jesus gives praise to the father that the gospel is revealed to the babes and hidden from the wise.
  So , if we are to put any credence in these words of Christ, then we would focus all our efforts on saving children and the youngest of them.  Based on Christ's words it is a no-brainer.  But the pc goes on blithely applying unnescessary brain to the simplest commands and winds up following Jesus own proverb, "they observe the commands of men and ignore the commands of God" 
  This is going to be the result.  A generation of anti-cs acs and s's.  Hey pcs fears it is upon us. 
Rev.2:23 also supports the parental status determination over pre age(point) of accountability with double death of the Thyatyran Jezebel's children, "I will kill her children with death," as in Genesis 2:17 Hebr. transl. "dying you will die"  2Sam. 12:23 oft used to support age(point) of accountability does the opposite because David is not only saved, but also as contrite and spiritual as he ever would be at the demise of his son, see vs. 16-18.  Acts 16:31  The strongest passage for parental status determining the saved or lost status of children who have not yet made their own salvation decision(the name is too long, I know).  Believe on the lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household. nkjv.  
Jonah 4:11 Why would god care about 120,000 unaccountables if their death would mean their salvation and their life mean indoctrination into idolatry?   No,  It is because their parental status meant they would go to torments, awaiting the lake burning with fire and brimstone.  That is why God wanted Jonah to save them along with their nation and culture. 
What if this devil doctrine of pre age of accountability universal salvation were debunked by cs(there were none, only pcs)?  1.  The 1962 judicial decision to oust God from the public schools might not have stood.  The cs would have ammended the constitution knowing these were the crucial years in which to save their children and grandchildren (unsavable by pre accountable age doctrine of the pcs).  2.  Roe vs. wade would rightly have been viewed as consigning millions of future unborn children to torments, awaiting the lake of burning with fire and brimstone, consigned there by association with their lost and dying mothers.  It woud not have been decided, or would have been struck down by constitutional ammendment.
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Jesus said "many other things like this, they do."  More to come about those. 

1CORINTHIANS 7:14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

If one is holy, one is heaven bound at death or rapture. Conversely no unclean thing goes up to heaven.

A saved parent in the home means a saved child at death or the rapture.

Sometimes the questions and issues we consider are not directly addressed in scripture. Then we may try to deduce the answers based onlogic and God's grace or god's justice.

In this case we only need look at the scripture.

Eternal Security: Without this no Christian can advance in his walk with God,  He can only work to cement his saved(?) position, until shocked at his (certain to ensue) failure, he falls away.  How can Christ say by the Spirit "that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.", if one who so believes will perish and not have everlasting life.  


If we could lose our salvation, then are we truly saved at all?  Or do we have to wait until the angels or the demons come to take us to be with Jesus or down to torments as the case may be if that were true?  Would we call this doctrine eternal insecurity.  And what do we tell the unbeliever about the benefit to faith in Christ?  That he may or may not be saved by faith?


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God's essential attribute of  Creativity
Yes, moreso yet, a particular human is at the epicenter of creation, the one united with the creator, god the son, even Jesus Christ the Lord, the Son of God!
God created the heavens and the earth from thin air, no from less, from nothing at all. Yet no. The thing that makes us and the universe go is God's infinite mind, His soveregnty, His creativity and His almightiness.  God can and has manipulated every possible bit of information, for He is omniscient, a Latin derivative word that means no more or less than all knowing. Now we also, being schooled in information technology that makes up our age, we know that God used his internal resources to plan and will by sovereign fiat(fancy word for command) matter and space into existence, and life itself, also.  For the wisdom of God not to mention his grandeur.  Yes the omnipotence or almightiness of God is seen in His creativity.  The missing aspect in the usual doctrine of divine essence (or divine attributes) is creativity.  It is plain for all but the most biased observor to see that God majors in creativity.  The word Genesis comes from the Greek word for birth, a creative process.  If you are close to God and He works in you, expect to have creative urges and inclinations.  It is just the Creator rubbing off on you. 
God's word is the highest expression of His creativity.  From many different times and places and types of men and social situations God's word supports a coherent body of doctrine(What is believed about God and the Bible based solely on the Bible.)  What's more, read the Bible Code(No similarity to the stupid Da Vinci Code) and discover how much more God built into His word as predicted by Sir Isaac Newton.  
God's esential  primary attribute or Characteristic
creativity

God evidences his nature in all he does and his creativity is obvious in thesde areas:

GOD’S WORD...Languages of men and angels...Spirit languages of prayer...Each new life-DNA lines drawn by God...A new creation a new man in Christ created for good works...similarly unique in spiritual DNA-complexity spiritual characteristics...A creative military tactician Jericho, Gideon, Moses at Red Sea and w/ Aaron & Hur...The animals and fossil records...Landscape of earth...Underworlds...Atmosphere...Solar System...Universe ...Antimatter and antiworlds...New prophetic word given...Artistic/literary, poetic and musical, even technological: inspirations imparted...Angelic creation and uses...Botany in all it’s variations...Theatrical, architectural and theological inspirations imparted...Humorous inspiration imparted

These and more display how creative artist God does things in a unique and wonderful way.  It behooves us to ask God always to give us wisdom.   How Lord shall I do this or that in Jesus name?  Inspire me in Jesus name! 

 

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning which was the beginning of  a chapter of the works and thoughts of God that  pertain to us.  There are other chapters, trillion or more, the like of which are hinted at as God gives fantasy stories(some with fantastic worlds and underworlds and solar systems) to authors playwrights poets and modern media types(though this latter not very often).  At a point in the infinite thought processes of God.  Before the concept of time could remotely be applied, nor was there yet anything to apply it to.  Then did God create.
God is Elohim a plural word in deference to God's trinitarian nature.  They each had a hand in this process if no more than agreement.  To understand fully the triune character of God is difficult.  If you have trusted  in Jesus Christ  that he will save you from your sins and emerged from death to life in the risen
saviour, then God  the Holy Spirit will help you understand as you read th gospel of John, especially chapters 12 throgh 18.  John 1 declares it is the Son of God Who was the active agent in creation. His title there is the Word.  This person of the godhead united with Jesus God's annointed messiah to Israel and the world.
God has these characteristics: Specially pertinent to Gen 1:1 attributes in bold,
LOVE
LIFE
PEACE  happiness joy superabundance a hakening welcoming spirit
ALL KNOWING theol. omniscience All we know is an atom to God.
infinite mind knowing end from the beginning
ALMIGHTY  God will one day fold up our universe, ignite it as a jail.
UBIQUITOUS an everpresent help in time of need
SPIRITUAL
HONEST
CONSTANT
UNCHANGING
DEVOTED
JEALOUS
PATIENT
GRACEFUL
MERCIFUL
LOVINGLY KIND
GOOD as a virtue contrasted with evil, bad or wrongful
FAITHFUL
HAPPY joyful
SOVEREIGN Nothing happens unless God allows it Nothing God ordains may be stopped.
RELIABLE
CREATIVE
RIGHTEOUS
JUST
FAIR
FORGIVING
 

Creativity and the new birth the new creation in Christ The Seed which will crush the head of the dragon

The seed which remains in us and constrains us so we can’t sin.

The spirit and the spiritual gifting that God put in our new man working together with our will equals the new life from God.

Gods selection of gifting and spiritual assets is like the set of chromosomes(just as myriad in potential combinations of gifts and assets given at conception.) It is the essence of life. As the heart pumps circulating blood through the physical body so also does the Spirit enervate and energize the spirit man.  See below

Creativity and the new birth the new creation in Christ The Seed which will crush the head of the dragon

The seed which remains in us and constrains us so we can’t sin.

The spirit and the spiritual gifting that God put in our new man working together with our will equals the new life from God.

Gods selection of gifting and spiritual assets is like the set of chromosomes(just as myriad in potential combinations of gifts and assets given at conception.) It is the essence of life. As the heart pumps circulating blood through the physical body so also does the Spirit enervate and energize the spirit man in us.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Ephesians4:24 put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness

Colossians1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 

Colossians 3:9  ... put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

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